South London Motorcycle show - Your help is required

[jimc-MAG]

Sorry, yet again can't assist - it's the day before the start of the 2012 Scooter Cannonball Run:
http://www.scootercannonball.com/ <<< just to rub it in.

[Johnj]

Hmmmmm........ haven't you got a bus pass to pick up on this side of the pond?

Happy birthday for the other day!!

JJ

[DJ Graham Smith]

I'd love to help, but sadly I'm over 80 miles away and am working from 5.30 - 2.30am

Graham

[Grandma@TLB]

It appears that no-one from the organising committee or LAM contacted KAMG who have an On the Road Workshop that day for trainee Observers which need 6 Senior Observers, including myself, there is also a Machine Control Day needing 6 Observers and KAMG were only alerted when I forwarded details of this event via Google Groups last month.
Ian Burchell who is our Deputy Chief Observer is also on the Bikesafe Team who will be attending this event and has tried in the last week to drum up responses from Observers, but we also are thin on the ground.
It is a shame, but I was rather hoping Ruth McConnell Chairman from LAM would have liaised with our Chairman so this could have been co-ordinated more effectively.  

[Weaver@TLB]

I've had replies from two other people who may be able to help for part of it, but that's it.
Sorry we're already booked that weekend elsewhere.

[Johny]

Morning Christine
Mark Jaffe is an obs with Lam and Wynne is with Lam too,as you know.
I believe Lam cmte are aware of this event (I wasnt at the meet)
However its the same day as one of our  events in Bromley :-(
You also state that their is a KAMG event scheduled too.....
Bad timing,what else can we do ? 

[STEM]

I'll send out another request for help

[stevephi]

I will check with Mark as to the response he has had. If there won't be very many Senior Observers, then there won't be many observed rides.

[stevephi]

There will be about 6 observers and would be great if we could match with 6 USR's. If not then there will be fewer groups going out, pretty much a case of 'working it out' on the day.

[Julian Barker [Giuliano] USR 10]

I may be able to help but being so busy on so many fronts can't commit yet!

[STEM]

Have we a confirmed route yet and are we going to ride it before we start the rideouts?

[wpritchard-SERV "USR 01"]

Hi all,

IF  USR's can be there for 0845 ready for a 0900 briefing and ride out.  We will take them on the route and get back ready for the first rides at just after 10.00


I will gladly send a route to all who require to pre programme Tom Tom or Garmin.
Please e mail me on w_pritchard@btinternet.com and I will return to you.


Look forward to seeing you all on the day - bring your sun cream or umbrella!

[STEM]

Where exactly shall we all meet?

Link is here

http://www.slmcs.info/

[wpritchard-SERV "USR 01"]

Milne Park, New Addington. CR0 0BB

[STEM]

Sorry I meant at the gate or inside event?


Im learning how to program itineraries into TomTom using TYRE software so I'd like a route please.

either here or to my email.

s.marsh@ucl.ac.uk

[wpritchard-SERV "USR 01"]

All area zoned off so we should be easy to pick out as well as two 40' trailers - I will be on site from 06.30am, hopefully dry.

Look forward to seeing USR's on the day, thanks in advance.

[Johnj]

As it stands, I think I'm out for tomorrow.

Riding home from work this evening I had a BMW driving a@hole try and kill me and my back is badly wrenched from keeping the bike upright from where he nudged me and tried to push me into an oncoming bus.


Sorry

John

[Johny]

Sorry to hear that John hope you feel better......my prescription would be couple of beers
and a takeaway curry and you should feel better in the morning.
See you soon

[STEM]

Sorry mate get well soon. Oh and sue the Fugger.

[wpritchard-SERV "USR 01"]

A big thanks to Johny, Steve, Ian and Stem for Saturday for all your help at the first South London Bike Show.

It was greatly appreciated and I hope you had a good day. We were indeed lucky with the weather. Lots of good feedback from persons who did the ride out.

We look forward to the next years event which will be bigger and better together with lessons learned.

Thank you.

If you have any suggestions for improving etc please feel free to drop Mark or myself a line.

Thank you once again.

[STEM]

Event was really enjoyable an excellent format and I would be only to willing to get involved again next year. Just sorry I couldn't stay any longer.

The Route
The route was good for those that had some level of experience but it proved to be a touch intimidating for L riders or those that had little practice or experience. Might I suggest that we group together inexperienced and learner riders and take them on an alternate route? They could of cause take the more complex route later in the day if they wish.

The Briefing.
It was not made clear who would brief the riders before the start of each ride. I did this as a matter of course but other USR’s may have believed it was the responsibility of either the Phoenix instructor or the IAM observer. The IAM observer and USR should talk before the ride and then act as a team and try and assess the rider’s ability before the ride and choose an appropriate route and pace.

Starting the ride.
After the first couple of rides someone (I think it was a Phoenix Instructor) took responsibility at the start point and did a great job. Simple instructions to us ‘You will take that rider, that rider and he/she will be the observer. You leave in 5 mins’

The Debriefing
I did sit in on a couple of debriefings to the riders and I believe that too much emphasis was placed on the ‘box ticking’. I believe the best way of engaging riders is by dialogue not treating them as they are still at school. This is particularly important with younger riders who we really need to encourage to undertake advanced tution. Also NEVER criticize a rider in front of another, all this does is decrease confidence and morale.


Thanks again Wynne

Stem

[Johny]

Morning all.


EventGreat event and I too enjoyed it a lot. I had a lot of fun and bumped into several folk I knew.
One of our Lam snr Observers was enjoying the Ducatis !
Route
Yep would agree with Stem the route probably was a tad intimidating for learners.
Addington is a difficult place to get out of though not many choices unless you like Trams !
Briefing and start
I didnt get involved in any briefings I assumed the Phoenix guys were doing that
I think it was Steve that was at the start and yes he did a great job liasing with us.
Wynne and I managed to get our radios working and were in contact so I was able to slow my ride
down if needed or at the Roadworks in Biggin Hill for instance I didnt filter.And grouped us together.
Certainly room for improvement with the comms between the Phoenix guys.
Debrief
I only had one opportunity to sit in on one debrief with a Kent Observer who I know anyway,David.
The particular ride was two recent DAS passes.then we had some others tail along which was disconcerting at first.
Because we thought another faster group had caught us up.But we were able to sort it out as we had comms.
Difficult with a debrief to give balanced feedback and encouragement.
I didnt want to tread on anybodys toes but there was a young lad I managed to engage in conversation about his regular
riding habits.I did want to tell him to use a lower gear as in my mirrors I saw him drfit over the white line a couple of times
We went going quick either.Quite alarming.


How were the Ducati boys operating ? They were doing there own thing I think.
One item about the route. I think Steve had probs with it. I recently up graded my TYRE software and since then
I have had no further problems with routes going straight into my Garmin.


I would like to help out again....and werent we lucky with the weather.

[STEM]

The route worked perfectly on my TomTom

[Top Cat]

H All.
I'm so sorry that I couldn't make this event, my bl**dy shift pattern got in the way. Glad you had a good day for it though.
Apologies - John T.

[Johny]

Steve Phillips was having issues with the route....not sure what system he was using ?